tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post204919669170672181..comments2023-05-18T08:46:59.064-06:00Comments on from the desk of Denver Snuffer: The traditions of men, part 2Denver Snufferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-13586162859990887922010-05-20T01:05:53.740-06:002010-05-20T01:05:53.740-06:00please answer the above. I know the answer... but ...please answer the above. I know the answer... but others may not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-48854472525554946092010-05-07T09:47:40.721-06:002010-05-07T09:47:40.721-06:00Brother Snuffer
I'm not trying to be arguemen...Brother Snuffer<br /><br />I'm not trying to be arguementative, just asking a question: If the first presidency and the twelve really opporate with the spirit much like the lay members do, how then do you reconcile the MEANING of the words: Prophet; Seer; and Revelator. Aren't these gifts unusual and set appart for the highest positions of the church? Wouldn't one necessarily receive visions and dreams to qualify as a Prophet, Seer, or Revelator? How else would one SEE into the past, or the future, let alone clearly understanding the present? How do you recencile the current revelatory state of the leadership with the meaning of the words, prophet, seer, and revelator?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-28401255964613924192010-04-23T19:24:03.354-06:002010-04-23T19:24:03.354-06:00Sorry, another comment...I've been concerned a...Sorry, another comment...I've been concerned about the common practice of reporting the Church's humanitarian efforts in newspapers and conferences of the Church, when the Lord has advised that we keep our alms to ourselves. The command to let our light shine before the world (commonly used to justify the reporting) I believe refers to the ordinances that belong to the world to be preached. This can be more clearly seen when it is realized that commands directed to "ye" in Old English refer to the group (and in this case, the Church) and the commands directed to "thee" are directed at individuals. In the Sermon on the Mount, often the Lord repeats a command to both, making it clear that the duty belongs on an individual level and on a group level. Let the non-Church, non-member presses pick up the stories if they please. It is sullying our sincerity in my opinion.<br /><br />Edited as per "Zang Family" and posted by CMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-73014708218219737982010-04-23T13:00:47.350-06:002010-04-23T13:00:47.350-06:00JR Morgan... thank you for your insights. I appre...JR Morgan... thank you for your insights. I appreciate them.<br /><br />JRB... I have read the book you mentioned. It was edifying. I read parts of it over and over with my wife.... I gave copies to my oldest son and my father. My son is not currently active in church meetings....I have hoped the book would motivate him to do what he needed to do to go to the temple. I was hoping at some point my son would return it to me so I could read it again. I think I need to buy another copy.:) father who is an ordinance worker in the Twin Falls temple was also edified by the book... He is on his third reading of it.... I've given a number of books over the years to my Dad.... this is the first I've heard him really open up and talk about... Thank you for your helpful suggestion. It is appreciated.Donald Dannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097095599475727149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-48505965705274640842010-04-23T00:34:27.969-06:002010-04-23T00:34:27.969-06:00dkd you need to read Denver's book "The S...dkd you need to read Denver's book "The Second Comforter, Conversing with the Lord through the Veil" and them determine if you have any of these questions. I believe most of them will be answered. Make sure you read each of the footnotes. JRBJRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05837842064662736562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-32146029036688781182010-04-22T23:46:51.232-06:002010-04-22T23:46:51.232-06:00Denver,
Wow - what can I say!! I have been cheeri...Denver,<br />Wow - what can I say!! I have been cheering each sentence of this analysis as I have read it. What frustration I have felt for going on decades now over these very principles!!<br />I once brought up some health difficulties my wife and I had over bearing too many children too close together to our good Bishop but was immediately slapped down as some kind of heretic (we are in a ward where the birth rate is astronomical) so this was taken as an affront to the command to multiply and replenish the earth and just about led us to fisticuffs during a temple recommend interview and he seemed hesitant to sign it - as if it were some kind of power trip....<br />We truly do have cult of personality and are slapped down if we mention any of the gifts of the Spirit freely experienced by early members of the Church.<br />Fascinating stuff - can't wait to read part three.....<br />I don't know how you do it!IRAQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114100359845137241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-65268551804964865462010-04-22T22:07:54.597-06:002010-04-22T22:07:54.597-06:00I know of three men that I have met and known that...I know of three men that I have met and known that the spirit has revealed to me that have had an "audience" with Christ. <br /><br />One of them is one of the current 12. Who I met at a leadership meeting. He spoke of some characteristic of the Savior that it was clear to me were not ones he was inferring from reading the scriptures, but had personal knowledge. <br /><br />One of the others was my mission president. I heard him bear clear testimony of it, it was bold and was unmistakeable, not to mention every time he taught us he was teaching us the doctrine that would lead us to that spiritual end. <br /><br />Denver I with you. It's not about finding fault with leaders or key holders, what I hear you talking about, but more about truth. Truth is just truth it can come from anywhere if we have eyes to see and ears to hear. We are suppose to counsel with our leaders and they with those that with them. Not to mention Pres. Eyring talked about following the spirit in way to reach out and help other people one I feel is being jammed up by this "cult of personality" idea. We sometimes wait to much on the Bishop to do everything instead of following the spirit and helping people. <br /><br />Same thought exists around missionaries, like they are the only ones who have the authority to teach, prepare, and invite for baptism. NOT TRUE! The only thing "special" there is the Mission Pres. has key to authorize the ordinance. We can all teach and invite for baptism we just can't authorize the ordinance. <br /><br />I DO think we can trust in the unity of key holders especially our leading 15. Each time I have met/heard one of them (in person, which has been only a few times) it's clear to me when they are acting under the influence of the Spirit. <br /><br />Not that there are moments when they have not been off. I know I have been and I would hate to think people have taken me at my ever word in a "cult of personality" way in those moments. The same member of the 12 I heard spoke of this also.JR Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907833193373275022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-37115085317335112342010-04-22T15:47:19.553-06:002010-04-22T15:47:19.553-06:00Denver,
I want to know more about having an "...Denver,<br />I want to know more about having an "audience with the Lord" as you discuss in your blog. I've always been afraid to ask a general authority... and I've only had rare opportunities to ask anyway... if they've had a personal visit with the Lord... and could they talk about it? what were they allowed to share... and not share?<br /><br />I was touched by one of your parables... "The Horses of Shiloh." I have pictures of the Savior in our home. I really don't know how accurate they are.<br /><br />For those among us who have had a personal visit with the Lord... what can they share with us that have not ? Can they share what our Lord looked like? His eye color? hair? height? how was he dressed? Is he among us now? How did he sound? Is this too sacred to be discussed openly?<br /><br />I have not seen the Lord in my life. I don't know why.... yet my testimony in Him is firm. So your blog raised some questions Denver. I don't know how else to ask... expect to ask as honestly and sincerely as I know how.<br /><br />and in humility.<br />dkdDonald Dannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097095599475727149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-79736060135605897432010-04-22T10:40:42.033-06:002010-04-22T10:40:42.033-06:00Brothers and Sisters, Brother Denver gives some so...Brothers and Sisters, Brother Denver gives some sound, fatherly advice. If you think it is unwise to do so, consider this: How many of you have followed fathers who lead double lives and teach how to pretend to be interested in the Church while breaking the Sabbath, for instance? If we are willing to accept that kind of unhealthy view, why not experiment with Denver's view, even if some may call it unhealthy?Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.com