tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post7866530575876353669..comments2023-05-18T08:46:59.064-06:00Comments on from the desk of Denver Snuffer: 3 Nephi 21: 10-11Denver Snufferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-43956044544658038342010-07-17T10:28:54.299-06:002010-07-17T10:28:54.299-06:00I hope it goes without saying that just because I ...I hope it goes without saying that just because I like I certain blog, like the Sidney Rigdon one linked to above, I don't agree with everything wholesale. It has some great nuggets in it, though.Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-20455589215810640902010-07-17T00:45:28.975-06:002010-07-17T00:45:28.975-06:00A few weeks ago I was pondering this same scriptur...A few weeks ago I was pondering this same scripture because of a book I had read months ago. It brought up the possibility of the return of Joseph Smith to finish his work. It has left many new questions in my mind and this was my topic of thought.<br /><br />The new possibility came to me that the "marred" condition could be something completly different. Could someone who was to deliver a message or be given a calling to perform, of making a people aware of the "false traditions of their fathers", -a difficult task at best- and to restore truth in it's true form, that might not be popular in MANY circles be "marred" by the reaction to the words or truths he brought? Including some of the traditional congregations, maybe even some LDS members or even leaders. It could be taken to the point of persecution personally and extended to his family even, if the views or teachings were too out of line with traditioal thinking.<br /><br /> If that were to be the case, then the part that was eye opening to me about this personal revelation was the thought that if someone's reputaion was so ruined by "others" trying to discredit his message, even to the extent of "disowning" the messenger from the current circles of influence and his fellowship with them, he would be truly in a "marred" condition, without a physical outward appearance that would certainly need healing. If the Lord were to vindicate him by proving, without a doubt that his words were true and the message correct, that would be a healing that only the Lord could bring to pass. What a sacrifice this man would have made to be obedient in all things. <br /><br />In pondering this possibility, it made me ask hard questions of myself....I for one hope and pray that I will be willing, at ANY cost, even at loss of friends, family and persecution to do as the Lord asks of me.<br /><br />I find myself asking for discernment, courage and strength.Garmelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-12563261155645323122010-07-17T00:28:58.540-06:002010-07-17T00:28:58.540-06:00Here is one quote from the blog that Anonymous lin...Here is one quote from the blog that Anonymous linked to:<br /><br />"The prophet Joseph Smith, too, taught that it is possible for the president of the church to lead the church astray. From the minutes of an address to the Relief Society in 1842, we read the following:<br /><br /> President Joseph Smith read the 14th chapter of Ezekiel — said the Lord had declared by the Prophet, that the people should each one stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption of the Jewish church — that righteous persons could only deliver their own souls — applied it to the present state of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall — that they were depending on the Prophet, hence were darkened in their minds, in consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon themselves, envious towards the innocent, while they afflict the virtuous with their shafts of envy (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 237).<br /><br />There you have it from the words of Joseph Smith, the minds of many had become darkened because they were depending on the prophet! Again, prophet worship is a form of idolotry. If you are blindly believing and obeying a true prophet without getting confirmation of what he is saying and doing via personal revelation through the Holy Ghost, you mind will become darkened.<br /><br />As sobering and profound as those words are, you really need to read Ezekiel 14 to get the full impact of what Joseph was warning them about;<br /><br />“.. Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the Lord will anser him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols; that I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols”<br /><br />Please continue reading the entire chapter in the privacy of your own inner sanctum.. it is hard doctrine, but true doctrine. it is the order of heaven. A true prophet becomes a cursing and a stumbling block to an idolotrous people who come before the prophet to enquire of the Lord with impure hearts.. and God DOES use his prophets to turn apostate Israel over to darkness."Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-79085458134951154692010-07-16T23:16:20.065-06:002010-07-16T23:16:20.065-06:00To Anonymous: Are you kidding? That post is phenom...To Anonymous: Are you kidding? That post is phenomenal, in my opinion. Hurrah for Sidney! Amen to it.Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-33010555244059473092010-07-16T21:44:06.328-06:002010-07-16T21:44:06.328-06:00Sidney Rigdon? [I think not, but I happened upon b...<a href="http://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/the-return-of-sidney-rigdon-gods-spokesman/" rel="nofollow">Sidney Rigdon</a>? [I think not, but I happened upon both this post and that post today. FWIW.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-77776120883995889952010-07-16T21:12:48.211-06:002010-07-16T21:12:48.211-06:00Moderator:
This, if posted, should be posted to t...Moderator:<br /><br />This, if posted, should be posted to the 3 nephi 21:10 blog. For some inexplicable reason, none of the three computers that I use will allow my to see the 'visual verification' image on the current post<br /><br />My comment is on the symbolism of the lion among the beasts and the young lion among the sheep. Sheep follow a leader, sometimes another sheep and sometimes a shepherd. Members of the church are said by Paul and Luke to be in the flock. Much of the Snuffer warnings of the past months have been to awaken us to false and foolish traditions that we might not follow any man that might come between us and the Good Shepherd. <br /><br />Beasts don't follow a Shepherd. They go whereever they please. They do not align themselves with any one shepherd. The say, all shepherds are true.<br /><br />Both will be tread down and torn to pieces, according to this prophecy. Repentence sound like the safest course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-84234240871347198902010-07-16T13:11:20.701-06:002010-07-16T13:11:20.701-06:00I think an addendum to Denver's description of...I think an addendum to Denver's description of types of prophecy would be the reasons for prophesying in such a manner.<br /><br />So if this were prophecy type A (where only the Father knows the meaning), it wouldn't matter so much that we "figure it out," only that we are familiar with it and open to possibilities so that when it DOES happen, we will recognize its fulfillment. <br /><br />If it's type B (where the prophet crafts a description), it could be the law of witnesses. Where what is shown to a prophet and described in his own words is meant to support other revelations from other prophets.<br /><br />If it's type C (where it is prescribed or limited), it could be that the impetus is on US to go out and get the remaining parts of the doctrine or prophecy.<br /><br />Of course, I could be off with my reasoning, but surely there are reasons behind why prophecies are given the way that they are.<br /><br />DougInspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-49808907379162028732010-07-16T12:37:06.381-06:002010-07-16T12:37:06.381-06:00I marvel that I ever held a sub-culture sentiment ...I marvel that I ever held a sub-culture sentiment that the Native Americans would help us build New Jerusalem. Here, as plain as day in Dan's Wilford Woodruff quote, is Woodruff saying we will help THEM, and the work will CEASE among the Gentiles. Amazing.Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-13541466158994652312010-07-16T11:49:23.103-06:002010-07-16T11:49:23.103-06:00I believe the Servant in V10 will be a specific in...I believe the Servant in V10 will be a specific individual. I feel he will arise in a time of ripening iniquity.... he will testify to the nations of the world (much like Isaiah did during his 3 year mission)...part of his message will be "deliverance or destruction"...... among other things, I feel he will deliver the repentant of the Lord's people from mortal danger.... eventually bringing those who repent and keep their covenants (with Him) to the greater light of the King of Zion, Christ.... I think a type of this marred servant is Abraham when he delivered family from Sodom on the eve of it's destruction. I feel this servant is part of the Fathers great and marvelous work yet to seen. I hope to see for myself these things in my lifetime. We may know soon. imho.Donald Dannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097095599475727149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-46907206133411588522010-07-16T11:27:09.689-06:002010-07-16T11:27:09.689-06:00This is fascinating stuff. I had always thought th...This is fascinating stuff. I had always thought the servant referred to here was Joseph Smith, but when looked at as a group, the remnant Native Americans could surely fit the description. I think of President Woodruff's quote : JD, W WOODRUFF 15:283<br /> The Lamanites will blossom as the rose on the mountains. I am willing to say here that, though I believe this, when I see the power of the nation destroying them from the face of the earth, the fulfillment of that prophecy is perhaps harder for me to believe than any revelation of God that I ever read. It looks as though there would not be enough left to receive the Gospel; but notwithstanding this dark picture, every word that God has ever said of them will have its fulfillment, and they, by and by, will receive the Gospel. It will be a day of God's power among them, and a nation will be born in a day. Their chiefs will be filled with the power of God and receive the Gospel, and they will go forth and build the new Jerusalem, and we shall help them. They are branches of the house of Israel, and when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in and the work ceases among them, then it will go in power to the seed of Abraham.dannoreply@blogger.com