tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post7685879509788616587..comments2023-05-18T08:46:59.064-06:00Comments on from the desk of Denver Snuffer: Discussion of the Gentiles and the RemnantDenver Snufferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-26390153121119173292010-07-28T18:09:47.298-06:002010-07-28T18:09:47.298-06:00I agree, please count another vote for continuing ...I agree, please count another vote for continuing the blog from one who has been living in the lone and dreary wilderness far too long and couldn't attend a home session.<br /><br />D&C 18:15 And if it so be that you should labor all your days in crying repentance unto this people, and bring, save it be one soul unto me, how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father!<br /><br />I can only speak for myself, but I feel my one soul is one that will be saved through your efforts. The evidence is building. And therefore, I would think that alone - one soul - would be worth keeping it going.Kim S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-47371458010533893762010-07-25T09:21:35.279-06:002010-07-25T09:21:35.279-06:00Well stated Brian. I thank you for your contribut...Well stated Brian. I thank you for your contributions. They have allowed for additional thought and subsequent growth. My hope is to continue to recognize the Lord's voice and truth from whatever source it is presented. Sometimes I struggle to understand it all but will continue in the path until I know. JMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-40795401380886994882010-07-25T00:35:50.301-06:002010-07-25T00:35:50.301-06:00...but it's probably impossible that I know wh......but it's probably impossible that I know what I'm talking about. I haven't written any books. And as opposed to "little desire", I have much. Some might judge that I am over-passionate, perhaps out of control. Perhaps one could argue that feelings are better kept to oneself? Silence is golden? Should one be careful not to be in the camp that some people have mentioned drive their friends and family away from Denver's otherwise uplifting blog? Should Denver politely ask them to be silent and keep their place on the sidelines? (He's never asked me that, anyway) Do people think that because of what Denver has written, obviously he would be the kind of person to eventually say "Enough is enough" and impose sanctions on "out of control" comments? Or stop writing what he is writing because of it?<br /><br />Has the correlation department had such sway with us that we actually think that regulation is the right course of action now, and expect it? Martin Luther (let alone even greater individuals) would be ashamed of us.<br /><br />-BrianBrian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-53519100695286407142010-07-25T00:14:36.031-06:002010-07-25T00:14:36.031-06:00John the Baptist and Jesus had a bit of an overlap...John the Baptist and Jesus had a bit of an overlap in their ministries. John's group fasted while Jesus' group did not. There were followers in each camp who couldn't see eye to eye with the followers in the other camp. This is how those who were of Jesus would inherit the telestial kingdom, even when it looked like they were in the right camp, following the right One. They followed him, but didn't understand His voice through the ministry of John the Baptist. They only heard from the Master what they wanted to hear, and <i>thought</i> they were His disciples, and weren't to be counted among His <i>humble</i> followers.<br /><br />On the other hand, some were too rigid and preferred what they wanted to hear from John the Baptist with his sharp reproofs. They fed off of the faults of others instead of applying it to themselves and couldn't recognize the Lamb of God when he came and instead hung around John too long.<br /><br />Contrary to what most people thought at the time, there was never any disparity between the Jesus and John. They both fully sustained and supported and loved each other, bearing witness of each other. John bore testimony of the Lamb of God; Jesus bore record that John was the greatest prophet born of women, a burning and shining lamp. John came mourning, and Jesus came piping and celebrating. Of course there were those, as Jesus said, that would not mourn with the camp of John's that mourned. And, there were those who would not celebrate with the camp of Jesus who celebrated. But, there were also those depressed and depraved souls that mourned (but not to repentance) who clung to John, and those who were life-long club-hoppers who hung around Jesus' celebrations as groupies. All of these groups missed the mark except the humble followers of both John and Jesus.Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-38731057917509552312010-07-24T17:17:48.216-06:002010-07-24T17:17:48.216-06:00I have read the comments off and on... I generally...I have read the comments off and on... I generally don't care for the comments as they seem to be either praise for Denver, a monologue of what the poster knows (or thinks he knows) or just some random thought or question. I personally find it distracting and some of the posters I feel are ... well, I won't say kooky but we just don't see eye to eye. Overall I have little desire to spend time reading through comments.<br /><br />I would like to continue reading the blog itself and trust Denver will be inspired where to go with it, even without feedback (opinion polling?) from the more outspoken readers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-62849932750932005902010-07-24T17:07:09.920-06:002010-07-24T17:07:09.920-06:00Denver,
I would surely love and prefer being in a...Denver,<br /><br />I would surely love and prefer being in a personable class, but then the amount of people hearing you would be so limited and what about the people who do not even live near you? With the blog you are able to reach an unlimited audience. I pray the Lord will allow you to continue your teaching via the blog. Certainly there are drawbacks but let the onus be on each of us individually as to whether or not we hear what you are teaching. I, personally, feel like I was lead to your blog and have thanked the Lord many times for the blessing.<br /><br />I have to let many of your posts ‘percolate’ for awhile and consider and reconsider them. I have also even been chastened pretty harshly by you – more then once. (I chucked at anonymous thanking you for the ‘gentle rebuke’ because I wish mine had been gentle but then maybe it wouldn’t have stung like it needed to.) <br /><br />Another benefit of this blog is that it allows many varying viewpoints, levels of understanding and learning from others and their experiences. It also gives us the opportunity to discriminate between those comments we feel are helpful to read and those which are to be avoided.<br /><br />I need to add that one huge benefit of the blog vs a wkly class is that we get to have bi-daily posts to absorb. We may not have many of the benefits of a personal class, however it is clear from many of the comments that a great work is being done here. Thank you!lcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-78212516554292534032010-07-24T16:52:25.713-06:002010-07-24T16:52:25.713-06:00I only want to address the quote itself:
The quot...I only want to address the quote itself:<br /><br />The quote was attributed to Joseph Smith after his death. It was rendered differently by different people. The one I think was most accurate was "if the Constitution was to be saved at all, it would be the Elders of Israel who would save it."<br /><br />The other versions make it definite. I think Joseph would likely to have been indefinite. Hence the preference for the version "if it is to be saved at all."Denver Snufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-32651732496889931692010-07-24T16:32:09.144-06:002010-07-24T16:32:09.144-06:00Denver -- Question if you care to answer. How doe...Denver -- Question if you care to answer. How does the oft quoted comment that "the consitution will hang by a thread...the elders will be the ones to save the consititution" relate to the gentiles being swept away and all nations being destroyed (their governments). Is that a quote a tradition, a misunderstood quote? Where does it come from and in what context does it belong in light of what we have been sudying?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01876433395677996095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-34190647553819493032010-07-24T16:24:32.124-06:002010-07-24T16:24:32.124-06:00When I first started on your blog, It was so delic...When I first started on your blog, It was so delicious to my soul. Then, for various reasons I quit you blog because I sincerely believed you to be a false messenger who was seeking to deceive others. For three days I endured a spiritual crisis; I had been seeking this very help since 1978 and was so disappointed by my conclusion. <br /><br />After three days I was directed to open Nephi's Isaiah. I began with the preface and received an answer while reading it that brought me back to the blog. Your description of personality differences and the human factor which has existed among every prophet who ever lived, enabled me to toss my stumbling blocks aside and to see things more clearly. <br /><br />Since that time, I've carefully read all your books except <i>Come Let Us Adore Him</i>. My study of the scriptures has increased dramatically; I've fasted and prayed many days; I've sought earnestly to forsake all my sins and have been directed to forsaking sins I didn't even know I had. <br /><br />I am currently reading <i>Approaching Zion</i>. I am studying <i>Lectures on Faith</i>. In line are the <i>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</i>, the <i>Words of Joseph Smith</i>, and I am going through the <i>Second Comforter</i> again more intently, taking copious notes as I go.<br /><br />Denver, these small fruits have grown from your efforts in my behalf. Life is busy and the blog helps bring me back to what is most critically important. It is helping me establish habits that will bless me and my family. Even if you offered classes, I don't know that I could attend, although I would seek to make it possible. I know that many could not attend at all, from various places in the world.<br /><br />I use a one to many solution in my work that enables me to speak live to an unlimited number of people and to easily maintain complete control over the discussions with the click of a mouse. It is like being in class because you get to enjoy the heart to heart exchange with people live. You know exactly what the issues are and can address them immediately and effectively. All are very edified. <br /><br />I've found it to be an extraordinary medium which also removes barriers of entry for participants who might otherwise not be able to benefit. I know you wish to maintain your privacy; however, if you would like to know about the best no-cost and low-cost one-to-many solutions I've tried, I will share them with you through Kisi, or if you have questions, she can give you my phone number. I'm not a salesman; I just enjoy the solutions personally.JDSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-67189444162727202102010-07-24T11:58:18.194-06:002010-07-24T11:58:18.194-06:00Thank you Denver. I've been edified by your b...Thank you Denver. I've been edified by your blogs and have learned a great deal. Please continue.<br /><br />-kindest regards<br />DKDDonald Dannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097095599475727149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-57128277589341622502010-07-24T11:44:27.932-06:002010-07-24T11:44:27.932-06:00I have talked to several people who follow your bl...I have talked to several people who follow your blog - who refuse to participate in the comments because they distract them. <br /> They have, however, been led to order and begin reading your books which serve as background for these blogs. Therefore, I think it would be difficult to get an accurate 'reading' - which is the problem. <br /> However, I understand this blog is the Lord's idea anyway and He knows who is listening and who isn't and who will become one of the 'covenant people' and who won't so I guess I will let Him lead you along - it is His work anyway. Thank y ou for your part in it and your patience with all of us.<br />Tracytracynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-34295692067816994862010-07-24T11:18:28.350-06:002010-07-24T11:18:28.350-06:00In your words, "The Lord was not and is not a...In your words, "The Lord was not and is not aloof. Neither was Enos. To effectively minister, the personal presence of the one ministering is essential."<br /><br />There is something lost by doing this over the internet. BUT, until you are able to teach this in person, please do not stop this blog. <br /><br />That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater to spite its nose.<br /><br />Many of us wake up each morning excitedly looking forward to the next post, knowing that if we pay attention we can add another piece of the puzzle to our understanding of the gospel. It may not be ideal, but its working. Please press on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-89482674757684591592010-07-24T11:14:47.667-06:002010-07-24T11:14:47.667-06:00A class would be so awesome....but I realize how i...A class would be so awesome....but I realize how improbable that could be. Do you have any idea of how many different people follow the blog (more than the ones listed as "followers"). I am sure.<br /><br />I know that we are all at different levels in our understanding, learning and what we absorb by the Spirit, but I am grateful that you are willing to continue. There is such clarity here. I love it!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01876433395677996095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-66539238585920795502010-07-24T10:09:32.479-06:002010-07-24T10:09:32.479-06:00Denver, I pray that this blog idea will work - it ...Denver, I pray that this blog idea will work - it has been a great blessing as I have integrated it into my own study regime of seeking to establish my own relationship with Jesus Christ. FYI that search began about 3 years ago when I read the Second Comforter for the first time. <br /> About 2 yrs. ago I was strongly prompted to work through John's Revelation - and the Lord opened the door to my understanding of that book in remarkable ways. As you worked through this BM material covering that same period I had some questions and was told to return to Revelation 7 and 14 and to integrate that material with your blogs - that I would find the answer to a question one of your 'blogs' had stimulated. Today's blog put the capstone or at least raised the question that I need to ask to cap off the 'answers' that this whole series of discussions has stimulated. Just needs more prayer, but there is peace. <br /> I am sure this isn't making a lot of sense to you, but I wanted to thank you for your work and the Lord for initiating it. I am sure it will continue as long as the Lord sees fit to use you to bless the rest of us. Thanks to Him and to you.Anonymous2noreply@blogger.com