tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post5395499202559209557..comments2023-05-18T08:46:59.064-06:00Comments on from the desk of Denver Snuffer: 3 Nephi 20: 17-19Denver Snufferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-44982899444273892832010-09-18T06:36:30.572-06:002010-09-18T06:36:30.572-06:00A few points to ponder:
1.All nations will be des...A few points to ponder:<br /><br />1.All nations will be destroyed.<br />2.This will remove all barriers to Israel gathering.<br />3."The love of money is the root of evil", consequently, if you want to put a dent in evil,eliminate currency.<br />4.Babylon (D&C 133:14)will fall.<br />5.When all nations fall, all politics truly become local and things will likely break down to believers (Israel) vs. non-believers (Gentiles)frodenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-35051369782307606402010-09-18T06:31:29.176-06:002010-09-18T06:31:29.176-06:00There are problems with our perspective that make ...There are problems with our perspective that make these prophecies of the remnant as unbelievable to us as it was for the Jews to believe the Temple in Jerusalem could be destroyed. We need to divorce ourselves from the "Babylon" mentality. Some are speaking of China as a possible alternative to native Americans. I suppose anything is possible but we are neglecting a few very important points. First, the "consumption decreed will bring an end to ALL NATIONS". All means all nations. One post mentioned that the native Americans would need a lot of money to accomplish this. If the root of all evil is the love of money, what is the best way to root out the problem? I would imagine eliminating all currency would accomplish that. If Babylon is going to fall (D&C 133:14, spiritual wickedness)then destroying currency and commerce would be a good way to introduce greater simplicity and distractions from the truth. In this environment, those who have lived on less and had to scrape through life would have a decided advantage over those who are accustomed to modern convenience. Eliminate electricity, oil or natural gas distribution and we are all in pretty sad shape except those who have never come to rely on them. <br />China has major problems of their own that never get discussed in MS media because major corporations who own major media outlets will not allow negative reports about China because Chinese officials will lock them out of the Chinese markets. China has demographic issues. Because of their one child policy, many parents elected to abort millions of Chinese girls in favor of boys who are in essence their retirement because the government has no social safety net. Now these young men are reaching marriageable age they have a difficult time finding a marriage partner. How will that be dealt with? China also has to generate 6 million jobs a year just to stay even with the portion of their population who are leaving an agricultural living for industrial. Russia, who shares a border with China has the opposite problem. Their birthrate is plummeting and their projected to contract to less than 100 million people within the next decade or two. With their vast resources in oil will China sit idly by and be deterred from invasion by Russia's Nukes?<br />Sorry for the length of this post but you see, we need a new mindset that is post Babylonian. The demise of "all nations" changes the game considerably. All barriers to Israel's gathering must be removed and destroying nations eliminates barriers and redraws power lines whereby each country will experience a division between believers and non believers. (1 Nephi 14:6-7) On that happy note I bid you Adieu!frodenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-14472157488526179392010-09-17T16:46:31.779-06:002010-09-17T16:46:31.779-06:00In our recent stake/regional conference, President...In our recent stake/regional conference, President Packer asked us to think about what "father" ment.... and suggested that when we better knew what "father" ment we would be well along on our own journey to meet The Father.<br /><br />Denver, this statement you made struck me: "To covenant with the Father is to receive<b> a Father.</b>"<br /><br />I read it early this morning and it has been on my mind since.... I was sitting with my wife eating breakfast when a light went on for me. I was a little startled and talked about it explained to my wife what I was thinking and feeling. I spent time last night reviewing Alma 13.... maybe that chapter triggered some thoughts.<br /><br />Are there 'fathers' among us? There are other questions I'd like to ask... but will save them for now.<br /><br />-kind regards<br />DonaldDonald Dannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097095599475727149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-78736014102408669422010-09-17T15:54:07.015-06:002010-09-17T15:54:07.015-06:00Interesting thoughts on the Chinese... I've wo...Interesting thoughts on the Chinese... I've wondered how they play into everything... what's their story, etc.? I've also heard of the western Chinese invasion "prophecy" too. (Have no reference on that.)<br /><br />I also wonder about the Muslim countries... desert blossoming as a rose... the whole oil thing since what, the 30s? Giving them a tremendous amount of power... I don't see the power to tread/rend unless the people have money. Lots of it. I don't see the NA casinoes quite measuring up.<br /><br />Just tossing out more thoughts...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-84627097402572529852010-09-17T15:13:13.166-06:002010-09-17T15:13:13.166-06:00It seems repentence is in order but is repentence ...It seems repentence is in order but is repentence that is motivated by fear ever real and lasting? Does not real repentence have to be about going toward something better vs runing away from something awful?<br />This is scary stuff or it scares me anyway but I have been afraid of the consequences of my sins most of my life and it has motivated me to try and do better but it has never brought about a lasting change. Perhaps some of us (like me) need to suffer through horrors such as described here before we are humble enough to have that mighty change of heart that is required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-11936370965605336532010-09-17T15:13:03.937-06:002010-09-17T15:13:03.937-06:00I felt like I should add an addendum to my last co...I felt like I should add an addendum to my last comments:<br /><br />My ex-spouse is part NA. His 1st cousin who has a lot more NA blood of mixed tribes; is a leader in the white business community where he lives, and also a tribal leader.<br /><br /> He has gone on record in the local newspaper that he foresees in dreams a future war between the Natives and whites that he will be involved with (on the side of the Natives). He is not LDS: He was raised Catholic, but I don't know if he is a practicing Catholic.AnonymousNVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-45406634888368675352010-09-17T14:58:42.987-06:002010-09-17T14:58:42.987-06:00OK, so I'm going to throw another Remnant poss...OK, so I'm going to throw another Remnant possibility into the mix. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that Lehi's "remnant," are among the Asians, possibly even the Chinese?<br /><br />Odd question, I'm sure, but I have had this theory swimming around in my brain for a number of years, that some of Lehi's descendants not only made it to the Polynesian Islands, but all the way to SE Asia, and places farther north. <br /><br />There are several reasons why I think this might be a possibility, but it also might answer the DNA dilemma. Especially since the Haplogroup X that was found up in Siberia were late arrivals, and appeared to come up from SE Asia. So when we say that the Native Americans have Asian DNA, it might actually be the case that the Asians have Native America DNA. <br /><br />There is some evidence that the earliest Asians were Caucasians, (as were the mummies that were found in Western China) and that what we think of as Asian is a later group that came in. A relative by marriage is a Filipina. Her lineage is Manasseh. Hmmmm. Certainly they COULD have come East from the Middle East, but they COULD have made it the other direction, also. They certainly had plenty of time. <br /><br />It is interesting that the Chinese are fascinated by all things BYU. I have that on authority of a Chinese National living and working over here. I couldn't escape the feeling as I watched the Chinese Olympics that those are our lost brethren; not to mention a formidable force to be reckoned with. <br /><br />I can't quite picture today's N/A tribes being any kind of a threat to the gentiles unless they bring in a LOT of reinforcements. That certainly COULD involve the Hispanics, but where I live, the Hispanics and Natives absolutely hate each other. <br /><br />There are a number of LDS that have had dreams about a future Chinese invasion of the Western US. What if THAT is the remnant invading? That could certainly get ugly, couldn't it. Kind of puts a different light on things. I just throw that out there to be trounced upon:-).AnonymousNVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-49269497797918613152010-09-17T12:02:39.109-06:002010-09-17T12:02:39.109-06:00In response to Denver's post:
Acts 2:37 "...In response to Denver's post:<br /><br />Acts 2:37 "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"<br /><br />About Gaskill: The Symbols book is amazing. But there is a difference when a scholar writes a work that is a dictionary (doesn't have to put his own opinions in them much) versus branching out and writing his own opinion (odds are, he's wrong on that opinion). I'd still highly recommend the symbology book, though. It is almost an essential work to have in one's library.<br /><br />Now, someone filled with the spirit of prophesy on the other hand...their opinions are not their own.Brian Zang (The Zang Family)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08307604832271130264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-87437908824341770842010-09-17T11:51:37.928-06:002010-09-17T11:51:37.928-06:00Anonymous @10:28. Yeah, and Gaskill is also a darn...Anonymous @10:28. Yeah, and Gaskill is also a darn nice guy whether or not his books are accepted here. I've spent a fair amount of time corresponding with him (not related to his books, but to a family issue which we both shared). He took all the time in the world to try and help someone who was a stranger to him.AnonymousNVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-39824631660305229542010-09-17T10:40:56.006-06:002010-09-17T10:40:56.006-06:00Thank you frode!Thank you frode!CSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-12615153612472671972010-09-17T10:35:27.817-06:002010-09-17T10:35:27.817-06:00This recent series of posts and comments reminded ...This recent series of posts and comments reminded me of something my mother taught me as a child. She taught me that the flood was the baptism of the Earth by water and that the Millennium will be immediately preceded by the baptism of the Earth by fire and by the Holy Ghost. She also taught that in both cases, only those that follow the Spirit and the Lord's chosen prophet have the ability to survive either baptism. She also taught that I should always live today as if the baptism by fire would happen tomorrow so that I would always be ready and worthy. She is a wise woman. I credit her for most of my learned gospel knowledge and I credit my father for the dedication to keep improving and doing better than before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-72972575048484004012010-09-17T10:28:40.243-06:002010-09-17T10:28:40.243-06:00Gaskill also authored the book, "Odds Are You...Gaskill also authored the book, "Odds Are You're Going to be Exalted."<br /><br />I'm just sayin'.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-79412918126108011332010-09-17T08:28:30.824-06:002010-09-17T08:28:30.824-06:00Peaked my curiosity so I looked up the following:
...Peaked my curiosity so I looked up the following:<br /><br />Metaphor is that of a bull or ox.<br /><br />"Oxen are established types for Israel and represent power, patience, and sacrifice, as well as Christ or deity. Bulls also suggest images of royalty, divinity, power, sacrifice, atonement, and Jehovah."<br />Lost Language of Symbolism, Alonzo Gaskill, pg.257<br /><br />Horns:<br /><br />"In scripture horns are used as symbols of power and strength, whether good or evil..., Paraphrasing the book of Micah, Christ promises the Nephites that through their faithfulness he will "make their horn iron" (3 Nephi 20:19), implying that they will be invincible."<br />"Lost Language of Symbolism", Gaskill, pgs. 49-50<br /><br />Hoofs:<br />"Moses declared that the reason these animals were clean and acceptable was that they chewed the cud and had cloven hooves (See Leviticus 11:3; Deuteronomy 14:6). Cud chewing as mentioned previously, was a symbol for those who meditated again and again upon the words of Christ, who continually studied and pondered the scriptures and teachings of the prophets, looking for increased understanding of the divine will. Paul's missionary companion Barnabas wrote that cud chewing symbolized pondering and acknowledging one's God and one's dependence on him. Philo of Alexandria indicated that the cloven hoof symbolized that everything has its opposite and that there are always two paths, one leading to vice and the other to virtue...,"<br />"Lost Language of Symbolism", Gaskill, pgs. 257-258<br /><br />Brass:<br /><br />"Brass or copper, is generally taken to represent judgment; for brass is that which can stand fire." <br />"Lost Language of Symbolism", Gaskill, pg.91frodenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-89111043599895825032010-09-17T07:51:04.835-06:002010-09-17T07:51:04.835-06:00Moroni 9 is another example of what those who reje...Moroni 9 is another example of what those who reject the fulness of the gospel can expect when all hell breaks loosegatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17440070325722563775noreply@blogger.com