tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post1675540789814826624..comments2023-05-18T08:46:59.064-06:00Comments on from the desk of Denver Snuffer: Egypt and EgyptianDenver Snufferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-27759504997566817322010-04-18T19:27:38.616-06:002010-04-18T19:27:38.616-06:00Mark Peterson: The following verses let us know t...Mark Peterson: The following verses let us know that there was a shared genealogy between Laban and Lehi's family:<br /><br />1 Ne. 3: 3, 12:<br /> 3 For behold, Laban hath the record of the Jews and also a a genealogy of my forefathers, and they are engraven upon plates of brass.<br /> • • •<br /> 12 And he desired of Laban the records which were engraven upon the plates of brass, which contained the genealogy of my father.<br /><br />1 Ne. 5: 14, 16:<br /> 14 And it came to pass that my father, Lehi, also found upon the plates of brass a genealogy of his fathers; wherefore he knew that he was a descendant of Joseph; yea, even that Joseph who was the son of Jacob, who was sold into Egypt, and who was preserved by the hand of the Lord, that he might preserve his father, Jacob, and all his household from perishing with famine.<br /> • • •<br /> 16 And thus my father, Lehi, did discover the genealogy of his fathers. And Laban also was a descendant of Joseph, wherefore he and his fathers had kept the records.<br /><br /><br />The choices are:<br />1. Laban and Lehi are brothers, making Laban Nephi's uncle. I rule this out because there is no appeal made to Laban on the basis of being an uncle, no acknowledgment by Lehi that he was sending his sons to visit with his brother, or other mention. It would be likely to have appeared in the record had that been the association.<br />2. Laban and Lehi share ancestors, but are not brothers. I assume this must be the case as a result of ruling out brotherhood above. This makes Nephi a cousin of Laban's.Denver Snufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-84121501447933645902010-04-18T16:37:34.637-06:002010-04-18T16:37:34.637-06:00Denver, in addition to your blog about "Egyp...Denver, in addition to your blog about "Egypt and Egyptian", ... I've also wondered if it is significant that one of our important ancestors was Egyptian? I don't know enough to be sure so ...seems Egyptian is part of the blood of two of the tribes of Israel.... I checked this brief note about Asenath (wife of Joseph) and mother of Ephriam and Manasseh on wikipedia (I thought the bee's in her story were curious and interesting):<br /><br />Asenath (Hebrew: אָסְנַת, Modern Asənat Tiberian ʼĀsənạṯ) or Asenith (in modern times sometimes transliterated as Osnat) is a figure in the Book of Genesis, an Egyptian woman whom Pharaoh gave to Joseph son of Jacob to be his wife. The daughter of Potipherah, a priest of On, she bore Joseph two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, who became the patriarchs of the Israelite tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim.<br />Modern scholarship says her name derives from the Egyptian "holy to Anath", and that her name may be phonetically transliterated from the New Kingdom Egyptian hieroglyphs as Ns-Nt.<br />Genesis records nothing more about Asenath, but her story is elaborated in the apocryphal Joseph and Asenath. There, she is a virgin who rejects several worthy suitors in favor of Joseph, but Joseph will not have a pagan for a wife. She locks herself in a tower and rejects her idolatry in favor of Joseph's God Yahweh, and receives a visit from an angel who accepts her conversion. A ritual involving a honeycomb follows. Bees cover her and sting her lips to remove the false prayers to the pagan gods of her past. Joseph now consents to marry her. She bears him their sons Mannaseh and Ephraim. Pharaoh's son wants Asenath for himself, however, and with the aid of Joseph's brothers Dan and Gad, he conspires to kill her husband. The loyal brother Benjamin interferes, and Pharaoh's son is ultimately slain. Asenath forgives the conspirators, and she and Joseph rule over Egypt for 48 years, after which they pass the crown to Pharaoh's grandson.Donald Dannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097095599475727149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-35935053978725223262010-04-18T16:29:54.927-06:002010-04-18T16:29:54.927-06:00This might be false, but I was told at one point i...This might be false, but I was told at one point in some religion class that the Book of Mormon being written in reformed Egyptian didn't necessarily mean that it was written in the spoken language of the Egyptians, but rather the spoken language of Hebrew written with Egyptian characters.<br /><br />The best evidence that I know of that this might be a true view is Morm. 9:32 where it says, "And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech." Here Moroni is talking about the characters and also mentions their manner of speech. <br /><br />This theory also seems more plausible to me than believing that all the little guys who wrote on the plates in Jarom and Omni (especially in Omni) actually had learned enough reformed Egyptian to do it.<br /><br />Do you think this theory might be true? I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge on this subject and can add something to our understanding here.<br /><br />Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-86025887698149736282010-04-18T16:17:01.072-06:002010-04-18T16:17:01.072-06:00In "The Second Comforter" you state that...In "The Second Comforter" you state that Laban was Nephi's cousin. How do we know that?Mark Petersonnoreply@blogger.com